***Update! March 11, 2009 I had some requests to study Beth Moore a little deeper, so I watched her “Stepping Up” series and reviewed it here.****
There are a lot of popular teachers out there that have REALLY bad theology. I even know of a couple that I would label with the dreaded “H” word (for heretic). While some of these teachers are obvious, most are very subtle and draw millions away from God-centered teaching and puts the focus more on you. So what are some things to look out for?
- Populartiy –this usually means that a teacher “softens” the Gospel to reach a wider range of people, like Rick Warren or Joel Osteen, but not always. John MacArthur is one exception I can think of who is popular and theologically solid.
- Testimony –a person’s testimony can tell you a lot about what they are trusting in, and where their focus is going to be.
I recently came across Beth Moores’ testimony. Take a look and see if it has the elements of true salvation. Does she talk about what a wretched sinner she was? Does it talk about being broken over her sin, flinging herself on the mercy of God in repentance and faith alone in Jesus Christ? What about Hell? Judgment? Dieing to self… no??
- Man vs God centered –is the teaching more about you than it is about God? Is the focus more on living the life, or more about knowing God?
Rob Bell is a man-centered preacher. Beth Moores’ teachings also seem to VERY man-centered. I don’t know much about her books, but there is a review for her book “Get Out of that Pit” that strengthens my 
suspicions.
- Theology –theology is important. It is not always on the surface, so for most you will have to dig for it.
What if you were following someone who believed that the cross wasn’t about justification for sinners? Did you know that’s what Brian McLaren teaches and he is Rob Bell’s mentor? Read some more about Rob’s own bad theology here.
The point is, be careful out there. Discernment and wisdom are your weapons. Do not fall victim to the popularity pit.
–Danny
Blessings Danny,
I just saw your blog post on Beth and I felt the need to leave a comment.
To my knowledge, Beth has been brought up in the SBC which is Arminian. However, she has said in several of her Bible studies that she will not go into detail about that position now because she is not a theologian. She states often she is “just a woman” who loves GOD and wants other women to know HIM through HIS word and love HIM. Of course, she is speaking to women who say they are true, repentant, tranformed believers – not to unbelievers.
Since I have known her, she has never sought out “popularity”. In fact, her ministry to women grew enourmously when she revealed that she had been sexually abused by a close family friend when she was a toddler through age 6 or 7.
This was at the expense of her mother’s blessing. Her mother, whom she loved and respected greatly, became angry that Beth had shared that horror, but other women were encouraged that someone with such a broken past and then such bad choices could be saved, chosen and called into a ministry.
Beth’s ministry spoke to me after my Sovereign LORD called me from a life of sinful misery into HIS saving grace by faith alone. I had been badly broken as well as a young girl who was raped by a trusted youth pastor and then cast off as “dirty”.
You don’t have to like Beth’s theology or agree with it. I am reformed now as I have studied the Bible and the great reformers and asked diligently for The LORD’S wisdom and clarity in understanding.
No comment about Rick Warren or Joel Osteen. I believe that anyone that shepherds the flock should preach the ENTIRE counsel of GOD’S word – the gospel of good news and the gospel of repentance and the atonement and the life that is marked with suffering for our LORD, rather than gaining riches.
I will end with this – before Our LORD had opened my heart to fully embrace the reformed faith, my dislike for Dr. Macarthur’s “cold and harsh” gospel made me not want to listen to him at all. I heard him give his “testimony” of salvation and I thought that he could not have a clue what salvation was when he said that he couldn’t remember the exact time, because he had always believed. Since his father was a minister and his grandfather as well, he had grown up with Christian principles. He couldn’t remember except perhaps when he was young and he broke a window out of a house with some other boys and his father talked to him and he felt badly.
Suffice it to say, I thought he didn’t have a clue what “real salvation through repentance by grace alone through faith alone” was.
GOD has shown me otherwise in the last year as my heart was moved and opened by the humility of Dr. John Piper’s teaching. The LORD was merciful and I fully embraced that I had nothing to do with my salvation at all.
I apologize for taking up so much room. I just wanted you to know that it is important for Christians to be on their guard and discerning in all matters of faith, however, I learned that I can easily become like a “drug dog” and all I’m doing is smelling for something bad and I stop feeling the joy of the love of My LORD poured into my heart by HIS HOLY SPIRIT.
Blessings and prayers to you as we perservere through HIM who called us,
Teri S.
Just to clarify, I am not saying that Beth Moore is not a Christian and I cannot comment on her theology. I cannot find a whole lot of theology in her TV shows to draw from. The points above are red flags that should make you stop and pull out your Bible.
For me, the verdict is still out on Beth Moore. I am going to proceed with caution until I find out more. What I have seen so far is not good.
–Danny
Danny – I’m in a Beth Moore study and student of theology and a women’s ministry leader. I’m concerned and would love to hear more from you on the topic. So many teachers escape any level of criticism, that concerns me regarding BM in terms of some of the content of studies. Feel free to contact me privately.
sarahflashing@gmail.com
Danny,
You seem like a bright individual. You also seem to articulate yourself well and I love the format of your blog. I am however very disappointed with your lack of discernment re: Beth Moore. Here you are speaking about an individual whom you clearly know very little about. Take the time to read a few of her books. Take the time to read Jesus The One and Only and that alone will stop you in your “cautioning tracks.” Please understand I mean you no disrespect, but iron sharpens iron and in this case…you are wrong and have drawn conclusions without doing any digging. It is not enough to say the verdict is still out on her. You published in a blog on the internet for all the world to see that you doubt her validity as a child of God…and you are definitely way off base here. I pray God’s wisdom for you and that you will slow the penning of words until you have valid information to back them. Thank you and keep blogging.
Sarah,
Thank you for your comment. It is true that I have not read her books. I have flipped through one that I thought would give me the most insight into her theology, but I have not done any serious reading on her. As far as her Christianity is concerned, I cannot judge her salvation. She does not seem to be heretical in her teaching and there is no indication she is persisting in any gross sin (for example I would say that Ray Boltz is not a Christian). What I AM judging are the elements of her testimony. It does not mean that she did not have the things I listed, but she did not express them and that could lead someone who reads her testimony to come to Christ with the wrong motive. I don’t believe her teaching is as clear as it needs to be. Check out the blog I did on her called “No Wrath In Witnessing”.
Danny,
I appreciate your honesty in admitting that you have not read any of Beth Moore’s books. If you were familiar with her work, you would know that the “testimony” link you included is, in fact, simply a quick interview and not her complete and comprehensive testimony. I encourage you to familiarize yourself with one of her video studies (Daniel or Stepping Up, for example). In both, Beth Moore delivers very raw and open testimony, confessing her sin, admitting her brokenness, and giving God and His grace full credit for saving her. I do not agree with everything Beth Moore teaches regard God’s Word, but I respect her for being “the real deal” when it comes to her story of salvation.
In addition, I respect your desire to look at Bible teachers critically, and it’s something that I think should be done. It is dangerous to follow Bible teachers blindly without doing your homework on what they are teaching. However, I believe that it is also dangerous to discredit someone when you do not have all the facts. I do not want to come off as judging you, but I do hope that you will educate yourself more about Beth Moore before you judge her.
Sara
Sara,
I will try and see if find those in video format. I do want to clarify, i did not say she was not a Christian, I said her testimony was weak. But the issue is not if she is a Christian, but do people need to be listening to her as a leader. Even though it was a “quick” 4 page interview, she left out some ground level stuff. My article on her called “No Wrath in Witnessing” backs up my view that her theology is not where it needs to be to start teaching others her faulty interpretations.
I would just like to point out that we do not have the right to judge someone’s heart. I wish (including myself) that instead of looking at the speck in others’ eyes that we would focus on “log” in our own. As brothers and sisters in Christ, we are called to unity NOT division. How do we look to the world when we pick apart our brothers and sisters in Christ?? God looks at our hearts, not at our own THEOLOGY. Jesus died to the law so that it would be about our hearts through grace. Beth Moore is my sister in Christ and God is using her to teach of God’s love and forgiveness. Not everyone is gifted like John McArthur. God gives each of us different ways of relating to people. Doing a Beth Moore study only made me hungrier to study the Word of God. Let’s focus on our own relationship with God, and allow God to take care of everyone else.
Theology is VERY important. Without it, you have no salvation. I believe that our rewards in heaven are in some measure related to our theology. 1 Cor. 3:10-11 Let every man be careful how he builds on the foundation which is Christ. Mormons, and Jehovah Witnesses, and Catholics alike have theologies that will cause them to die in their sins. I agree that I cannot judge her heart or her motives, but we ARE called to judge. In Matt 7, Jesus is talking about hypocritical judging- that type of “I’m better than you” attitude. Jesus himself tells us to judge righteous judgment in Matt7:34. I understand that we are not justified by the Law, but the moral Law still exists. A true Christian will continued to be sanctified under the Law. He keeps the Law out of gratitude and love for God. How many so called Christians even know the 10 commandments? As far as unity, there can be no unity without truth. I am sure that Beth lifted you spirits and made you feel really good about being a Christian. I am not trying to poke Beth Moore in the eye, but I am trying to call people away from this “easy believeism”. A lot of people are going to stand before God thinking they were saved and they will be thrown in to Hell because all they got was “who needs some complete Joy?”
I must disagree Teri S. The SBC itself is not a governing body. Having said that Many SBC churches do not have the same beliefs, but to label the SBC as an Arminian is way out in left field.
Arminians (1.) deny original sin; (2.) deny justification by faith; (3.) deny absolute predestination; (4.) deny the grace of God to be irresistible; and, (5.) That they affirm, a believer may fall from grace. This is not the SBC.
I have watched Beth Moore and it is alright. I m not a Beth Moore fan, and do not think she should be teaching over men.
I do find it interesting she has said several times because of her past, as if she was horrible sinner, on the level with Saul. I am curious about this, and I have seen several people say see has not had a genuine conversion. I would like to know why this is said.
Hi Danny,
I have written a diet Bible Study, and have been told my writing style is like Beth Moore’s, I don’t know because I have never read any of her books.
I ran across your blog when I was Googling Beth, I was curious because my writing style has been compared to hers.
You may only review published authors and it’s probably silly of me to ask, but, I was wondering if you could review my book? I have been writing it for the last ten years. I’m not selling anything. It is on my website,
http://www.flowersoverthewall.com.
It has a printable copy, and I would like to get your opinion.
Thank You for your consideration.
Kelli
Danny,
I would just caution you to say that your “concerns” about teachers whom are popular seem a little unloving and critical of these people who have poured their life into service of the king. My husband and I are in ministry and I think it would be extremely hurtful to have someone post a blog bashing what he was teaching rather than coming to him. I would say you should not only read what they have to say and study where they are coming from but you should also contact them with their concerns. I am sure an open dialog and discussion would be welcomed over a post speaking out against them! I can understand your cautions but really do you feel the need to throw these people under the bus. I think with any book coming from a person should be shifted out and held against the Bible. But I think that we need to remember that we are human and not one “denominational” group has theology locked in correctly. I don’t normally respond to people like this but I have done a few Beth Moore studies, and read a little of Rob Bell’s stuff and I feel like, yeah I don’t agree with every angle they are coming from but, God is using these people in their ministries and we need to encourage rather than discourage.
I pray that you will succeed in your ministry and that you will bring Glory to our God!
Isn’t Gods word powerful enough to accomplish what needs to be accomplished according to HIS good will…why are we even questioning or quarreling about a Sister or Brother in Christ. This is why people are turned off by “Christians” and Christianity. I believe this is why Jesus said his prayer is for us to be one. Maybe then we will stop this nonsense and see a Revolution caused by Revelation!
Sheila,
There is no unity without truth, and yes, God’s word- rightly interpreted -is enough to accomplish His purpose. Remember that there will be many false teachers and will lead many down a path that ends in destruction. Not everyone that names the name of Christ is a Christian. Jesus talk a lot about false conversions. Go over to http://www.livingwaters.com and listen to “True and False Conversion” by Ray Comfort and let me know what you think. It was a real eye opener for me. There is a good deal of study and wisdom in that presentation.
—Danny
where did our recent comments go?
I believe alot of the comments that were made were under the review of “Stepping Up”. Check that article and see if they are there.
–Danny
was sad to see that my comments under stepping up were erased, and i’m now not able to post there….if you disagree with you is that what happens?
How sad for all of you who claim to know our LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!
Jesus Christ plainly states himself, that he is the way the truth or the life! Therefore, if anyone should misconceptions and reservations about a fellow sister or brother in Christ, the Bible outlines the way to go about this but if you are not reading in it as we are called to then it opens up doors that only lead to more brokeness. Christ came to bring healing, examine your motives to see Danny if where you’re coming from is a genuine concern for Christians, IF it isn’t then what is the point of blogging about something you have to spiritual understanding about, it only ruins those receiving it, and we end up doing more damage. We have a Savior, Protector, Teacher and more in Christ, its simple let him do his work, while we all keep watch and pray for we know not when the hour approaches to give an account for OURSELVES.
he is the way the truth AND the life! (typo)
my typo errors, so he is the way truth AND life…. another typo in this line HAVE misconceptions…
Danny,
I happened to come accross your page and read all the the comments and concerns from you and everyone who has responded regarding Beth Moore and others. The one thing I noticed you cautioned everyone to have discernment and i agree with you, but not once did I read that you were seeking the Lord in prayer on this matter and he revealed some concern to you. I find it very impossible to try and judge a child of God on line with thousands of people without direction from the Lord. I think its embarrassing to judge these people with little knowledge of their ministry, You mentioned you flipped through one of her books, but why haven”t you taken the time to read them. Better yet why haven’t you sought out to speak to these teachers personally to really see what they are about instead of gossiping and producing death with you tongue behind their backs. I am glad this is just your opinion because there is only one judge (its not you or me). Their teachings don’t make me feel like”a good christian” it causes me to desire more of God, to know that he loves no matter what i have done.To go out preach the gospel to those who are lost and in sin. I dont know what your testimony is but your comment about these teachers “softening” the gospel to reach a wide range, it was a teacher that showed me God’s love and mercy and grace that brought me to fall on my face before the Lord and repent and that is exactly how we are going to reach the world with God’s Love and mercy, not a judgemental bible slapping attitude. And in his time God will show us what is not pleasing to him and help us change.
I just want to say that I am going through Beth Moore’s study of Esther. It has been a very eye-opening study for me. I have read Get Out of that Pit about half way. I couldn’t get into it. My point is, that Beth has some hits and misses. And she probably realizes that. We learn from out mistakes. She is growing as an author and as a teacher. Danny you should pray for Beth. Also we are to hold our brothers and sisters accountable, you should talk to Beth. I’m sure if it was constructive criticism that she would listen. Also she comes off to me as very human. Sometimes I get nervous in my witnessing and I start stuttering because I want to say exactly what God wants me to say and I’m a very awkward person. I’m not graceful but God still uses me. I think Beth is the same way, sure she may talk a tad too much, but only God knows if her heart is in the right place. Also in the book of Esther, she was very nervous before she had to go before the king. God doesn’t use only eloquent writers and velvety speakers, He uses any and every one who comes and serves Him.
Sandy,
I agree we all have hits and misses, but it is not about her teaching style, it is about the content. Her presentations are all about God’s love and forgiveness, but she leaves out everything concerning His anger and wrath toward those who die in their sins. She doesn’t talk about repenting, or dieing to yourself, or what it is to have FAITH in God, she just talks about accepting Him. I fear that she is creating luke-warm followers with the wrong motive for coming to God. Paul said that he had not failed to preach the ENTIRE counsel of God to his hearers, but I am afraid that Beth is not teaching a one sided message. I would love for you listen to “Hell’s best kept secret” and let me know what you think. Look for the differences in this presentation compared to what Beth presents when she invites people to come to Christ.
I read what you had to say about Beth Moore and her testimony and message and how it’s so focused on man and not on God. You write about how she doesn’t focus on repentance and “what a wretched person” she was. It bothers me so much how people, especially “church” people, will know nothing about someone and hear one thing and just judge and be so critical about them. I’ve recently just got in to Beth Moore and her Bible studies and I’ve grown to admire her because she is totally Word based. In her book “Breaking Free” she uses Bible characters, kings in particular, and she talks about how they got caught up and became rebellious, building altars to false gods and she talks about us having to tear down our altars. When she teaches and even in her books, she rarely talks about her own story, she writes in her book “Breaking Free” that she doesn’t want to focus on her own story because she wants the focus to be on God so your critique is off. The Church is such in a horrible state because all we do is bash each other and critique each other with out chests all puffed out like we are so much better. Are there ministers out there who are off? Of course. Are people watering down the gospel? Of course. So what should we do? Have a critical spirit? Should be bash everyone who doesn’t have the perfect sound doctrine? Or if a brother is in error, should we pray for them? Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him, but still treated him with love and even had him be the guest of honor at the last supper, do your homework. Before his conversion, Saul (Paul) was a religious extremist who thought with all his heart that what he was doing was right. He killed Christians and put them in prison and Jesus knocked him off his horse and asked him “Why do you persecute me?” So when we attack our brothers and sisters, when we tear them down and talk behind their backs causing much division, we are tearing down Christ, we are doing it all to Christ. We may have the right intentions as Saul did, but be very careful who you bash for you WILL have to answer for it. Again, if a brother or sister is in error, pray for them, even if the person is a “heretic” pray for them. Even Christ said pray for your enemies. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but prinicipalities and powers so focus on that and not the person. Only God knows the hearts of man and the intentions of their heart and only God knows your intentions.
What? Jesus as “my hero” “Lying in the grass”? “Feeling his presense”? What about repentence? What about the realization of being lost and the knowing that a person will be eternally seperated from God? What about mourn over our personal sins? How narcissistic “Moralistic Therapeutic Deism” will the 21st century get?
This year, 2009, marks the 500th anniversary of the birth of John Calvin. If one ever reads or studies the writing and life of this reformer, they will come away with one observation. John Calvin’s life was one that was “God centered”. Calvin’s theology, doctrine and life was all wrapped up in this one phrase: Soli Deo Gloria.
Soli Deo Gloria. That needs to be returned to the churches and to our individual lives.
Your Servant in Christ,
Michael David Hotard
Soli Deo Gloria
Please!!!!!….Jesus’ said that He would send His comforter “The Holy Spirit” to teach us all truth. Remember he is known to us as the “Spirit of Truth”… I am in the middle of taking Beth’s study “Esther” and I can say, I really know in my spirit and heart that this is where God wants me!…I am not a Beth Moore follower, but I can say God used her study to comfort me through a trying time in my life as I am facing a divorce after 14 years… Only God’ guidance and answer prayers that I was asked to participate in this study.
Kathy,
I can assure you that there are many who “really know” in their heart that something is from God, and they are really wrong. The Bible says that our hearts are deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. (Jer. 17:9) It also says that he who trusts his own heart is a fool. (Prov. 28:26) Christians talk so much about MY comfort, MY joy, MY blessing, I believe Beth Moore is doing more “ear tickling” than teaching how to be a more obedient follower of Christ. Her sessions seem to be more about me and my woes. She needs to teach her listeners how to stop focusing on themselves and start focusing more on Christ.
–Danny
I am apalled at the way that you have talked about Beth Moore. It sounds to me that you are a person that is lacking in confidence in your own beliefs and so you are attacking another person and their teaching a their beliefs.
Beth’s teachings may not be perfect but she is human and I believe that she is doing everything to do God’s will in her teaching and I know that she has done a great in leading people to Christ. Her teaching makes you HUNGRY to dig deeper into the word and to study harder to be more Christ like.
Every thing you are writing about another Christian is negative and that is wrong.
I think Beth Moore is a great bible teacher, along with other teachers. I believe that she was called by God to teach women and I know that she does not go into anothe year of ministry with out bathing it in prayer to know that what she is doing is what God wants her to do.
Get over your attitude….
Carol,
I think i was wrong for you to write something negative about me… I wish you would get over your attitude…. Kinda convenient that you can do it about someone you disagree with, but I can’t. I do appreciate your comment.
–Danny
You are way off base on this issue, Danny. I pray that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes of your heart and mind.
Donna,
Could you be a little more specific?
I just ran into this blog. It hurts my heart to continually read about others judging others. I have attended many Beth Moore studies and I promise you if their is anything imperfect in her theology and/or delivery – God sure fills in the gaps! I myself have a testimoney that could help many…it is blogs such as this that make me apprehensive in sharing my testimoney with any…yet the Word of God says that it is by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimoney that we overcome the enemy….it makes me so sad to see so much time and energy wasted on looking into others which would be better time spend looking at ourselves. Jesus was the only one that got it “Perfect”. We all tend to look at other through a microscope and ourselves through a telescope. I commend anyone that puts themselves out there to be transparant in an attempt to bring comfort and a message of hope and salvation to others. We must all be responsible for ourselves and pray before everything we hear and attend for discernment and the spirit always shows up and helps you throw out the bones and take home the “good stuff”. I love the Freedom I have in my relationship with the Lord that I can learn from many and get the information that was divinely intended for me. I am personally grateful for Beth Moore and many others that were brave in answering their calling and helping so many along the way.
Blessings
Dear Danny,
I did a Beth Moore Bible Study with my church many years ago. I was offended by many points she made which could not be supported by scripture.
No one (not even the pastor’s wife) concurred with me, so I thought maybe I was way off.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts– Many like me are not heard, even by their own churches, and it is comforting that someone is willing to speak up.
Thank you, Ronda
As the scriptures declare, “contend for the Faith..”.
I also have felt that BM’s teaching brings up “red flags”. Somehow, she seems to get all the glory rather than our Lord in her teaching. Yes, Doctrine is important. I do understand that your criticism is for the truth of the Word. I also understand the difficulty.
But it is a real battle.
Love for the truth should be the motivating factor. May our Lord bless and guide you.
Danny,
This is a joke, right? You admit you haven’t delved into Beth Moore or her studies, yet you criticize her? And you have the nerve to have under your name “Truthius Authorius”? Well, that’s obviously untrue by your statements about Beth Moore. No wonder, people have a disdain for Christianity, it is alleged “Christians” like yourself who bear false witness. And if you do this to Beth Moore, what are you doing to others?
Bill,
Thank you for your comment. I would like to clarify that I said I had not read her books… and I don’t what her underlying Theology is on several key issues. I have listened to her television show and have read her testimony before I created the article. Her weak testimony was what prompted me to include her in the first place. I have As far as being a false witness, I questioned the Theology behind what she said in her own testimony, which *SHOULD* be a good indication of how solid a teacher is going to be. If they give a solid testimony, then they will probably have solid teachings. As far as being a false witness, that means I would have had to lie about her, which I don’t see where I said something untrue. If you can tell where I lied about her, then I will publicly apologize and revise my article.
Danny,
One common theme I have found among ardent supporters, of various preachers and teachers under scrutiny, is the “how dare you question” anything that they preach..or that which is blatantly false. I am not speaking of one verse here..or one omittance. I am speaking of a continuous pattern, such as the Joel Olsteens..or Rich Warrens..Joyce Meyers or Kenneth Copeland..and yes, in this case..Beth Moore. They all teach some ‘good’ things, but it is what they don’t teach (even when brought to their attention..which many have to Beth Moore)..or refrain from teaching on, such as Joel Olsteen and Rick Warren…that warrants our duties as “watchmen”..through guidance and prevailing by prayer (not our own devices)…to reveal.
Does anyone whom reads these blogs..have any idea what a “watchman” is? For each and everyone of you..have you had an in depth study..of what a true “watchman” on the wall is..and what he/she is to proclaim? For you whom believe that we are not to question anyone..within the body (or supposed body) of Christ..and the church, whom exactly are these “watchmen” to be warning against?? It’s not only the Muslims..or Buhdists or the Dalai Lama. It is false teachings…and their teachers..withing the realm of Christianity…especially Christianity.
I’m new to Beth Moore’s ministry having just sat in on her 300,000 strong webinar this past Sat. I was just following up trying to get more info and found your post. I read the testimony you link to and feel you’ve missed the point. I consider myself careful and discerning, not given to follow the crowd of popular idea-ology that poses as theology. I found Beth to be humble, anointed and gifted by God to help women APPLY and walk out the principles of Scripture as they study God’s word. God used her presentation to give me new insight into a scriptural principle that is setting me free. Honestly, I walked out of there a changed person, able to apply His Word to my life in a very needy area. Her ministry is primarily to women. Perhaps that is why you don’t ‘get it.’ :-)
I found that the one Beth Moore study i went through was very “YOU centered”. She once commented that Christian encouragement could consist of saying to someone “that is a great handbag”. Really? Her gospel presentation is shallow at best and she she seems very good a hitting emotional buttons. She is likable and charismatic. I noticed that you said that she is giving you a scriptural principle that is setting you free. That is what bothers me a little, where is the focus, on US, or on Christ? Just a thought.
- Danny
Just a comment to Marion;
No where in the scriptures do I find doctrinal direction for gendered specific preaching. Jesus and the apostles reached everyone, didn’t break them up into gendered groups. You won’t find it in the book of Acts either. So stating that is why any man might not ‘get it’ implies that there are a large amount of scriptural relevance only for women..that men couldn’t possibly understand..which of course..is non scriptural.
Just my thoughts..using the scriptures as my guide.
US centered or GOD centered….
Oh the grip that Descartes still has on our minds and unfortunately our hearts.
One question: GOD – JESUS – HOLY SPIRITY were they THEM (Creator) centered or US (creation) centered?
Danny,
You seem like someone who truly has a heart to uphold the truth of God’s word and see that it is not compromised. I believe this was your motive when you wrote what you did about Beth Moore. I respectfully disagree with what you wrote about Beth Moore, however. I will address each of your “red flags.” First of all, I’m glad you clarified that popularity does not always mean a teacher has watered down the gospel.
Secondly, you stated that Beth Moore’s testimony does not show signs of a true conversion experience. As evidence to support your claim, you provided us with a link to “Beth Moore’s testimony.” The article you directed us to, however, was not her testimony but a journalistic article written for “Today’s Christian Woman” based on the journalist’s interview with Beth Moore. Journalists usually decide what the focus of the piece will be, not the interviewee. If you want to know what Beth Moore truly believes, and what her testimony is, read her books.
Thirdly, you posted a link to a review of her book, Get Out of that Pit, stating that Beth Moore’s teachings are man-centered, not God-centered. Obviously, that reviewer was biased against Beth Moore. The problem is that you can always find information which seems to corroborate your own personal bias no matter what that opinion is, if you look hard enough. Again, you admittedly did not personally research any of this, so you are relying on hearsay. I, however, have read a handful of her books, and I have not seen anything that would indicate that her teachings are man-centered rather than God-centered. So, please, if you are going to make such accusations about a Christian teacher, do your homework and make sure you are correct!
As I said before, I believe you have a heart for upholding, and not compromising, the word of God. I also believe you are motivated by a desire for not wanting to see others misled by false teaching. The problem is, Danny, your approach is counterproductive to accomplishing what you want. People will only perceive you as being angry and judgmental if you continue to go about your writings in this manner. They will not consider what you have to say because of this. I also read your bio, and I think an analogy for your situation might be sort of like the therapist who suffered abuse as a child and consequently sees all his clients as suffering from child abuse as a result of his own unresolved issues. I hope you will pray about what I’m saying.
Debbie
Danny,
By the way, I noted that Joseph Vasquez provided well thought-out counter-arguments to all of your claims. I look forward to seeing how you respond to the points he made.
Debbie
He did? Where? I saw a reply from him to my article, but I didn’t see anything that resembled well thought out counter-arguments to my claims.
He would probably say that I should not say anything about Joel Osteen either, but I am in the firm belief that if you see a problem, you need to say something. When I see a luke warm gospel presentation or man-centered religion, that is a problem.
Beth Moore seems to have both. I am glad you looked into her teachings and found them solid, but could it be that I have seen enough of her on television and in her online series that I may see something you don’t?
–Danny
Debbie,
Did you know that Oprah Winfrey has a HUGE female following? She claims to be Christian but she teaches a “universalist” type of religion. People are really gobbling up this new age trash that she is pushing.
Now lets say that you were saved out of that situation. What would your message be to those who are still sitting under her as a good teacher? Now– I am in no way comparing Beth Moore to Oprah Winfrey, but I want to give you a comparison you might connect with.
Debbie, I AM angry! I have seen too many “Jesus just wants to be your friend” alter calls that I am fed up! I cringe when I hear songs say “You would rather die, than to ever live without me”.
I even heard one famous preacher say, “If God had a refrigerator, YOUR picture would be on it!”, and “God isn’t angry at you, He is CRAZY about you!”.
You bet I have unresolved issues… I have unresolved issues every time someone says, “If you said that prayer, then you ARE saved, there is no doubt about it.”
My heart hurts every time I see another squishy bible teacher telling everyone that they need to focus on themselves. Give me Charles Spurgeon! Give me Paul Washer!!
And if you know of a CLEAR gospel presentation from Beth Moore… one where she talks about how her hearers are guilty before God because of their transgressions and how they deserve hell, one where she talks about God coming back to pour out His wrath on those who fail to repent…
If you know of a resource from Beth Moore where I can find THAT… then give it to me!! I will apologize if I have found that I mis-characterized her, but you gotta show me.
–Danny
Danny,
You claim you are not saying Beth Moore is anything like Oprah Winfrey, but I think in a way you are or you would not have brought up the analogy to begin with. Sure, you’re not coming right out and saying she espouses new age teachings like Oprah, but I think you’re implying that Oprah Winfrey and Beth Moore both rely on a feel-good message to “evangelize” people. Am I on target so far? Further, you equate what you consider her feel-good message with watering down the truth, which is why you would rather read Charles Spurgeon or listen to Paul Washer.
There are a few problems with your analogy. For one thing, Beth Moore and Oprah Winfrey are bringing entirely different gospels, if you will. Both women may bear some similarity in temperament (i.e., they’re emotional, idealistic, etc.) but don’t confuse the messenger with the message. The message Beth Moore brings in books such as Get Out of that Pit and studies such as Breaking Free is one of hope and healing through a life totally surrendered to Christ. Oprah Winfrey’s message is one of hope and healing through magical thinking and what appears to be self-worship. You see, Christ is the key to freedom in the former, and self in the latter.
Secondly, you present an either/or scenario in that you can either believe the teachings of Charles Spurgeon, Paul Washer, or others who preach in the same vein, or you can believe the “squishy” teachers such as Beth Moore. Beth Moore is Southern Baptist; having grown up Southern Baptist myself I am pretty familiar with their doctrine. I think it’s pretty safe to say that, as a Southern Baptist, Beth Moore does not consider herself a preacher, so your comparison falls apart in this regard. It seems clear to me from what I have read in her books and Bible studies, and heard in her Bible study videos, that her ministry is primarily to women who are already saved, not primarily to the lost—one of discipleship, not one of evangelism. So, you are presenting a fallacious argument here.
Third, is it always wrong to focus on ourselves? Certainly there are times we need to; 2 Corinthians 13:5 (NKJV) says to “examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith.” Here’s another example from Beth Moore’s Bible study, Breaking Free (2009 edition). She writes about “Surveying the Ancient Ruins” (p. 91) and draws from Genesis 20:5 (NKJV) which speaks of God “visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.” Sometimes we might be required to look at ourselves and our family histories, not indefinitely but for a period of time, to see if we are repeating any sinful patterns which could adversely influence future generations so that we can confess these patterns as sin to God and break free from these strongholds in our lives.
You are absolutely right that our salvation is not about us; it’s about God. Do you see how not addressing these strongholds can be destructive to future generations, though? You seem to take issue with Beth Moore’s use of the term strongholds and how she speaks of sin as captivity. Several passages in the Old Testament speak of the kings who did evil in the sight of God; or the ones who were righteous in the sight of God , but they left up the high places (strongholds), which caused the future generations to become captive in a spiritual sense, but also quite literally. This is what happened to Manasseh, whose father did not tear down the high places: “Therefore the LORD brought upon them the captains of the army of the king of Assyria, who took Manasseh with hooks, bound him with bronze [fetters], and carried him off to Babylon” (2 Chronicles 33:11, NKJV). This is why she references breaking free of strongholds and being set free from captivity (also see Isaiah 61:1-4).
I don’t know about you, Danny, but this makes me rejoice! God’s word convicts us of our sins, but when we have repented and are in a right relationship with God, there is rejoicing (see Nehemiah 8:1-10). Just because you don’t like the way someone presents the message (i.e., they’re “squishy”), don’t confuse the speaker’s personality with the message itself! God has gifted Beth Moore differently and she has a different role in the body of Christ than Charles Spurgeon or Paul Washer.
Debbie
Just a couple of concerns, regarding Debbies last reply..and from other replies on here;
1. One woman posted something to the tune of “..perhaps the reason men don’t “get it”, regarding Beth Moore, is because she’s speaking to women. Please correct me if I am wrong (anyone), but since when is a “ministry” to be gendered specific..and that ministry so profoundly geared to one gender..that the other gender wouldn’t “get it”? Please correct me again if I error, but where in the bible did anyone specifically target one gender??..and where was a preacher, or teacher ever called to that roll, by our Lord, to specifically target “one” gender? You or Beth Moore can label herself what ever term “feels good”, but with her platform and huge audience of “women”…she is ministering..regardless of the term one wishes to use.
Beth utilizes the “womens movement” ideology (which apparently..is why men “don’t get it”), mixes in some of Joel Olsteens “seek your dreams” and “don’t let anyone steal your joy” in your pursuit of success (which isn’t what that phrase was pointing to)..and she is very much a motivational “trainor”..for women only.
Dave,
I believe that Beth is gearing her ministry toward women so that she does not violate the admonition from Paul in 1 Timothy 2:12.
–Danny
Dave said, “Please correct me again if I error, but where in the bible did anyone specifically target one gender??” etc.
*** Again, the point I was making is that Southern Baptists believe that to be biblically correct, only men can be preachers. It is the role of the preacher to evangelize the lost (to be clear, that does not mean that evangelizing is *only* up to the preacher), whereas Beth Moore’s Bible study ministry is more one of discipleship. Where did I say in any of my previous posts that ministry should be targeted to one gender? Please give me specifics.
Dave said, “You or Beth Moore can label herself what ever term “feels good”…
*** When you direct comments such as this one specifically toward me without addressing the particular points I have made, but instead you pull bits and pieces from posts by other people and act as if you are defeating my position, you are setting up a straw man argument. Furthermore, your sarcasm and unfounded accusation makes me think you’re not really interested in having a rational discussion with the intent to seek biblical truth but are instead seeking to get “one up” on me (and the other women you have directed your comments toward).
…“but with her platform and huge audience of “women”…she is ministering..regardless of the term one wishes to use.”
*** Yes, “she is ministering regardless of the term one wishes to use.” Once again, my point is that Beth Moore, as a Southern Baptist, would believe that women have a different role in ministry than do men. To be specific, Southern Baptists not only believe that to be biblically correct, the role of pastor is reserved for men, but many (not all) Southern Baptists believe that women are only to teach other women or children, but not men.
Dave said, “Beth utilizes the “womens movement” ideology (which apparently..is why men “don’t get it”)…
*** This accusation is also unfounded. The gospel is for everyone, but men and women do have different needs and roles. Just as a Bible study geared toward helping men to become better fathers would be exclusive to women, some of the issues in Beth Moore’s Bible study are geared toward the needs of women.
After reading some of Beth Moore’s books and participating in a couple of her Bible studies, it is clear to me that she has suffered through some terribly painful things in her life as a victim of childhood abuse. It is also apparent that she has found hope and healing through Jesus Christ, and because of this she has a passion for seeing other women who have suffered equally as much to be healed, but especially to grow deeper in their relationships with Jesus Christ.
I don’t mind having a logical debate to iron out inconsistencies in biblical teachings, with the intent to come to a greater understanding of Biblical truth. Certainly all of us, as fallen human beings, are prone to errors in judgment and we can strengthen one another. But that is not what I see happening in this forum among a few (not all or most) of the members. People, we need to wake up! We are in the last days and we need to be exhorting one another and encouraging one another (yes, they are both necessary in order to be a *balanced* individual), but not attacking our sisters in Christ because we don’t like the fact they are taking part in a Bible study which excludes men, or vice versa. That is so trivial! We’ve got much bigger things to worry about, and as Christians in America we need to be on our knees in repentance to God instead of turning against one another! Yes, we do need to look at ourselves. We need to remove the specks in our own eyes instead of trying to remove a log from our brothers’ and sisters’ eyes (Luke 6:42).
In summary, I advocate a balanced approach. Danny, it’s a good thing that you have such a passion to uphold the word of God and you shouldn’t compromise in that regard. We need more people who will do that in these last days. There are also people who have been badly hurt and damaged by this world and even by church members who have turned their backs on them in their deepest hours of need due to legalism. There is a middle ground, and in saying this I am not advocating “fence-sitting” with regard to your beliefs. I am saying judgment and mercy are both part of the character of God and we must be wise and discerning in our dealings with others. As the Apostle Paul said, we are to “…warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all” (1 Thessalonians 5:14, NKJV).
Danny…
That is what I thought. I always interpreted that verse, “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”, to mean if there be a more qualified male teacher..then he should teach. Otherwise..a woman can do so. I still don’t see anywhere in scriptures where doctrine states gendered specific preaching to a specific gender. What ever a preacher/teacher teaches..he/she must be able to preach the same message to anyone..anywhere..in the world.
Danny –
You are right. We should always ask for and use discernment from God the Father. “Test Me, Try Me, Prove Me says the Lord” He says it for Him and He says it for men. I enjoy Beth Moore’s studies along with others but she just like my own pastor must be listened to not with blind faith but with discerning ears. They are human and will will make errors but God being tested will stand as absolute Truth always. Stay in the Word people test all things with prayer and scripture.
Work through “Breaking Free” – the workbook and then see what you have to say.
I have worked through several of Beth Moore’s bible studies….read her books….watched her TV show through James Robison’s ministry. “Pop psychology”….this really does describe these types of ministries. I didn’t realize this until I read your blog and some others recently. I have definite issues with Beth’s “hair ministry”, “purse ministry” and “shoe ministry”. Several things I have viewed and read keep coming back to the same concept…vanity! I know Beth is saved…I know she has experienced a “real” life (freedom) in Christ…I know she does make efforts to be “real” before God and her audience. The only reason I can watch her videos is IF I think I will receive some “real” content in the video. I do not care for “side trips” at all. Give me scripture…give me commentary on what scripture means…guide me through the Hebrew and Greek definitions of words, so it is clear what I am reading and how it relates what God is saying to how I am supposed to apply it.
One thing that I find fascinating about some of these teachers is their popularity…and it is a positive popularity at that. You know, God and Christ have NEVER been popular figures in our world….the enemy made sure of this. So, when these teachers/preachers have real popularity, I have to ask myself…are they teaching what God says…or are they teaching what they want to teach and “fitting” a few scripture verses in here and there? The enemy does NOT want God’s word known, so IF they are teaching God’s word…why are they so popular? Just a thought-provoking question I have had to ask myself about Beth Moore and many others.
It is our job as Christians to test our preachers and teachers ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE!! If we fail in this job, we are judged! So, I test/question my preachers/teachers ALL the time according to scripture. I have read recently from others’ posts regarding Beth’s speculation about scripture. I had never really thought about this, but she does this. I have seen probably all of her videos and read a handful of her books, so many of the characteristics I am reading about, I have seen…there is a pattern. It is unfair to judge others…UNLESS you are testing their content according to scripture. Because we, as Christians, WILL BE JUDGED if we don’t test this content according to scripture for the truth we are supposed to read, listen to and teach.
So, I want to thank all who have posted to this site. Those, like Danny, that have made me process some thoughts and rethink strategies of bible study. But also those that are Beth Moore fans…you have provided some fresh insight in this post also. I think we all need to step back and take a look at what we are seeing, listening to and reading…and ask ourselves is it scripturally sound? You will be judged for discriminating between sound teaching of the gospel and false teachers, so evaluate and make sure you are associated with sound teachers!!
Jan,
Your response seems like a fair assessment. I tend to be more critical and blunt (to my detriment some times), but you sounded very even handed and response was well thought out. Thank you for your input!
—-Danny
I am not very familiar with Beth Moore, but have heard things and so looked up reviews, like this one. I was interested to read the bio of her, 5 pages from Christianity Today.com,that you provided to see her testimony (which is technicly an interview yet reveals a lot of herself)and how it stacks up against your assertion she does not have the true elements of salvation.
The writer here asserts that she doesn’t talk about being broken over her sin,flinging herself on the mercy of God in repentance, faith alone in Jesus, or about judgement, nor about dieing to self. Really? You didn’t see any of this?
In reading the answers she gave I found she was tremendously broken from sin that was committed to her, broken over her sin that resulted from her brokenness, feels completely indebted to Jesus’ grace,mercy to rescue her from her inability to climb out of the pit on her own and gives him all the credit. She expressed a desire to live for Jesus, die to herself, and that he alone is what matters to her. She talked about God’s fire or judgement to burn the fake out of us.
I do not know how one could read her words and think that she does not have the elements of salvation? What a charge, that proves wrong and hateful!
Just in reading this article, I was very touched by her words and convicted of a truth that I know God is wanting to teach me about not buying things I don’t need and my continual lust for more. What I’ve witnessed is that many feel she emphasizes the law too much because she exhorts people to follow God. It’s almost as if these people think God is more about letting us off the hook of our sin than actually dealing with it. I think Beth Moore gets it. I’m impressed.
The LORD has been using a Beth Moore bible study to set me Free. I have had to face God in sin and admit my guilt before him, AND only knowing that I was not alone in my shame was I able to do this. Because I too was violently abused as a very young girl, and for much of my early life. Beth helped me to realize I was still playing the victim role and I had to forgive (A tall order at that time) but I knew that I had to do it. We are human and we need the honesty of others whom we can relate to, to help us. I have heard men say, Beth is so emotional…that is a judgement, because most woman are at one time or another… women do need woman to discuss certain matters with that men cannot help us discover. It is just fact. You would not talk to a woman about “man” matters would you? If you did you may not get the answer you want to hear. I believe my husband is about as Christ-like as they come and he cannot always help me past these challenges I face. I have had some pretty horrible shame that was inflicted upon me as a sweet innocent young girl, molestation, rape at 10 years old by 2 men, again at 16 and these experiences made me feel like less than dirt. I needed a Beth Moore to share that I wasn’t alone and if I turned to God and was obedient to Him, then He could set me Free and He has. That is how her testimony allowed God to reach down in the deepest depths of my pain to rescue me.
I do not follow Beth Moore. I have been saved by Amazing Grace from our Lord Jesus.
I also know about the broken spirits which arise from early abuse.
How can you possibly say this woman knows nothing about being low/wretched/lost and broken? Man, get your facts together.
Jesus did not ask the woman at the well to grovel at his feet. He did not ask her to detail her sin. He gave her the grace of revolutionary polite conversation (which the religious of the time would have blog-gossiped about) then he gave her a message of hope, and sent her on her way to follow God.
I pray that you can find the meaning of Christian unity and let God do the judging.
Good article! I’ve done several Beth Moore studies. To my own fault, I didn’t research what she was teaching in my Bible and let’s be frank, how many women do? When you consider only 10% of professing Christians actually read their Bibles regularly we can understand how these teachers become so prominent.
Anyway, as time went on I began to feel uncomfortable with her, but I couldn’t put my finger on it so chastised myself for being critical and judgmental. My husband then told me about her involvement with Contemplative Prayer and that made me start to look deeper at Beth Moore. I started looking up scriptures she used in her studies. It was then I noticed how often they were being twisted to fit her points or ‘revelations’. Sometimes they were taken so far out of context God might not even recognize them anymore.
You’re right, when a teacher is popular that means the Gospel is being watered down. Beth Moore uses a lot of pop-psychology in her teachings. She keeps women focused on themselves and their issues and not on God. She’s an advocate of self-esteem (something God is not an advocate of). Her teachings are man-centered and not God centered.
Whenever our thoughts, behaviors, words, etc., run contrary to Scripture it’s sin and supposed to be put to death by the Spirit.(Romans 8:13, Colossians 3:5, Matt 5:29-30) Beth Moore doesn’t teach that. We’re all damaged by sin. That’s the result of sin. Every single person whether it’s our own sin or a result of someone else. It’s all sin and must be put to death.
In the words of John Piper…”I hear so many Christians murmuring about their imperfections and their failures and their addictions and their shortcomings and I see so little war! Murmur, murmur, murmur ‘why am I this way?’ Make war!”
Once Beth Moore is held up to Scripture the truth comes roaring out. So I finally had to say “So long Beth Moore! You’ve been a bad friend to us!”
Forgot to add… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWbGCh7u0x4&tracker=False
It’s to a video of Paul Washer called “For Him” for those looking for the the Scriptural truth about self-esteem/self help/man centered teachings
Just a very quick comment…to lump Beth Moore into the Rob Bell camp is ill informed. I have done every single one of Beth’s IN DEPTH Bible studies. Jesus is lifted up from cover to cover. She never “softens” the gospel in any way! She is relate-able. But she has her students digging in the Word. She does word studies. She shares how to become a Christian in every study. Not reading any of her books or doing any of her studies is not a good way to represent Beth Moore. She has touched many, many lives and turned on thousands of women to have a passion to study the Bible.
Ila, Thank you for your post. I don’t have to read anything to know her testimony given in Christianity Today was alittle “soft”. Also, the things I have read seem very man centered, and I have done a complete series from her.
Beth Moore often talks about not letting personal trauma shake your faith or throw you off course. Here’s a quote also, “People hung on Jesus’ words: Soon He would hang on theirs”. She talked about how Jesus death traumatized the disciples,and they fled. John, however, went all the way to the foot of the cross with Jesus. (Beloved Disciple). She is theological because she develops a theology by helping us walk with John through the gospels, John, ACTS, and the letters and Revelation. I’m learning way more this way than from a theology book.
Hi,
I have always been unsure of what the appeal was about Beth Moore. Seems like our church promotes her studies for every Women’s Bible Study. So this year I was determined to go full-fledged and pledged into her study “Believing God”. I enjoyed the videos etc until the 6th session when she came on strong again about how “God spoke to her” in regards to scripture. Also I started to become curious as to why she repeatedly brought up her horrific past, her sins (albeit vague as to what she was referring to) etc. etc. etc. I then “googled” her with “why am I uncomfortable with Beth Moore’s teachings”. Oh my word did I find my answer or what. What I couldn’t articulate was clearly stated in many blogs, articles, and websites. Something is “off” and I don’t feel this is the Holy Spirit prompting me…I KNOW this is the Holy Spirit WARNING me to be discerning, wise and leave this adulated teacher of scripture far, far behind me in the dust.
Thank you
I ignored Beth’s ministry for a long time. I read “Get Out of That Pit”
after experiencing some serious spiritual abuse. It lifted me up and gave me a hunger to go directly to scripture. I was surprised, because most, if not all preachers are man-centered in order to tickle the ears of their tithe-payer congregants. I think it’s unfair to insist that personal testimony is entirely man-centered. Paul gave many examples of cultural preferences about ministry in general that people have taken too literally (the wearing of gold, for example, or hair length). I think some of the issues people have with B stem from chauvinism. I encounter it in every church. God has called us to be above it (no slave nor free, male nor female in Christ). It’s incredibly frustrating that this sin is making women minorities within the body. Does the Bible only apply to males, and how are we supposed to discern which verses are just for men? When the Bible says to preach the gospel, am I supposed to ignore that command because I’m a woman? That said, I think Rob Bell’s teachings are obviously skewed and it’s a shame that B was nitpicked here instead. We will never evangelize this world by tearing apart other’s testimony and not living in unity. Bear in mind that no one is perfect and no one should be held to an impossible standard. Pray for one another, desire a loving spirit and not an overly-critical one.
The things I’ve read in this blog are UNBELIEVABLE! All I can say is this…I thank God for the Beth Moore’s, the Charles Stanley’s, the Tony Evans, etc of the world. Without them I would not be a Christian. I am not nor will I ever be interested in those Bible thumping preachers teaching and preaching brimstone and fire. That is a turn off and if that’s what Christianity is about then you can have it back!
That kind of scary preaching does exactly what it’s intended to do SCARE people off from Christianity. The people who grew up in those kinds of churches and homes always end up continuing the abuse of the faith they were taught (which is some of what I’m reading on this blog), leaving the faith altogether or breaking free of their chains and the baggage of a false Christianity. God said it would not be easy but he sure didn’t want you making it harder than it has to be. For me it’s simple. I am a sinner who accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior. My sins are forgiven. I will be a work in progress until I die. But I am available for the Lord to use as he sees fit. As for those of you who think these Christian educators are “watering down” the Gospel. Ha! Jesus’ teachings were all short and simple! You who judge these teachers/educators in Christ remind me of those who in Christ’ time judged him.
Danny,
Jesus loves you and wants you to be Free!
I suggest you pick any of the gospels; start with Matthew and truly get to know Jesus the man. Remember man put in the chapter breaks, read it whole: Ask, where was He, why was He there, who was with him, who was listening,learning,critizing; how did He respond, was the audience significant to the specific message He spoke? Put yourself in the roles of His audience, (try various roles) or as the disciples with Him, even the women. (cultural norms disallowed the title of disciple for them) but they were significant in the work of Christ ministry. Observe who He choose as disciples. Observe how He responded to the people, even when weary and tired. Jesus loved people; he hug out with sinners, sick people, tax collectors(crooks) and 12 young men who often had way more zeal than understanding. He let women wash his feet, sit with the men and be taught;He declared their acts as worthy of being recorded in sripture as great faith. He loved his disciples and patiently taught them,forgave them and had faith in them even in their blunders. It is also important to know the culture/government/customs of the time in which He lived and how that plays into the words He spoke. All these methods open understanding into the message of His Heart. Ask the holy spirit to unfold these revelations. For Jesus, who knew no sin took all our sins upon Himself and killed them!The judgement was upon Him. He is God’s son, He is our Holy Atonement, THE WAY to restored our access/relationship to our Father. Jesus loved people, he spoke and acted in radical ways that offended the religious. He asked us to follow His new command to Love the Lord and our neighbor; and the evidence of that love is obidence to his commands; again the commands he gave were to love Him and others. All his lessons, parables and acts as a man were to evidence what love looks like. To know Him is to Know the Father, according to Jesus. To know Christ as savior and Lord, is the greatest gift for all who believe/recieve. Then in Christ, we become a new creation. New to be like Him-to love. We live in a fallen world and are continuely learning how to Love better as we grow more like Christ. It is a process and is often delayed or impacted by our own personal histories and/or religious prejudices and confusions. Bottom line: We are free from the law of the old convenant: Jesus, our King, our Savior gave us this freedom in his death. Instead of focusing on Calvinism, Armenianism, or McArthur,Beth Moore,ect. just go to Jesus. He wants you to be free from judgemental spirit. You are highly esteemed in His love. It is the Truth and thus the Life to live as we prepare for eternal life-learning to recieve His love and giving His love away to others.Then, with Jesus Heart you can settle your heart concerning the call of God on imperfect women and men. We are afterall, His modern day disciples. Be blessed by our Great and Loving God. He needs His children to unifiy and speak forth love. The world is full of strife. The unchurched are turned off by religion; it has nothing to offer them. Don’t you think God knows what /who is needed in any generation to reach the lost and make Him known? God never changes, but the genrations of humans sure do?
A little bit too much caffeine i think Lee.
It is so painful to see Christians tear one another apart especially here on the internet. I love female teachers of the word (I pray the church has more of them) because they talk so much about unity and respect other children of God so much. It is so much like a lot of men to want to nitpick and point fingers in the hope that they will be seen as being better and more upright. Whose servants are we? I think God’s so it is not our business to get into the business of God’s servant trying to bring them to size. If people get blessed and transformed by the teachings of Beth Moore who has worked so hard to in surrendering herself to God, what would you rather she was? A whitewashed tomb called a theologian? I love Beth Moore so much. In-fact I had been looking to have an indepth study of the tabernacle but could not find a book that did not sound like a mechanical manual until I met Beth’s “A woman’s heart, God’s dwelling place.” I was so blessed by the diligent research and application of the word she did. How could I speak against her? God is wonderful.
It would be ideal if everyone thought on things that were praiseworthy. Trust the Lord and know that as He has proved to be able always to accomplish what he says He will do. Press in an know that Beth is on the field tending to the spiritual harvest that awaits this generations.
Be at peace
So i shouldn’t look at her testimony to see if it is solid or do any discerning to make sure her teaching is biblicaly sound? How did you come to know that Beth is on the right field? I am not saying she is not, I just want to find out how you go about testing to make sure a teacher is sound.
Beth Moore’s Stepping Up has me on my FACE litterallly before God every morning. Submitting myself before Him and humbling my pride to let His spirit consume me more every day. What I am getting from the study is very Christ-centered… not at all me centered. She LOVES Jesus!
Hey, Danny,
You know you write a good blog post when you have this many comments… if you were judging things according to the world’s standards. But I’m not. I read your post and then all of the replies, and my heart ached, because while most are on the same ‘team’, we are at each other’s throats. We forget that we are all apart of the same Body of Christ, geared differently in order to reach different people. Romans 12:3-8 (I won’t quote all of it, but please look it up) shows the gifts God gives out of His grace, motivational gifts some say, basically the ‘window’ through which we interact with the world- through prophecy (like you, revealing right and wrong), service, teaching, exhortation, generousity, leadership, or mercy. And they are based on God Himself. He is called by many names. Elohim- all powerful self existant God. The God who Sees by Hagar. The Bridegroom. Savior. Judge. Redeemer. Jealous. Love. The list is too long for this reply. But the Word is clear. Different people need different approaches by God. The people of Isreal, when choosing between the prophets of Baal and Elijah’s God, needed a God who was all powerful and who drew a strong line between sin and holiness because it was not understood… God as Judge, as Elohim. For the woman caught in adultery, who knew her sin very well, a God of mercy and grace and encouragement after the acknowledgement of her sin was what was needed… God as The God who Sees, Love personified. For Peter, whose shame in his sin of rejection was so completely apparent, Jesus showed restoration with no reference to his past sin… God as the Redeemer. And there are so many more examples. We all need salvation presented differently depending on our life and personalities, and God has provided that with different people providing the various ways. Should we water down the gospel? Oh, please do not hear me saying that! I love the series The Way of the Master, have taught their classes on how to evangelize using the law to reveal sinful hearts and appreciate it and have used it. But I can also say that I have also evangelized to many who freely admit their sin and shame and do not need to be convicted any further or else it would be beating a dead horse and only be detrimental, and so I do not need to ‘use’ that ‘method’. I offer information on forgiveness and redemption in Christ, and it is up to them and the Holy Spirit if they submit their lives to Christ or not as Lord and Savior. And when talking to those already saved, it happens the same way. No one is perfect, even after salvation, we all fall into some kind of sin. The closer we get to Christ, the worse we know we are. And so at some point we will have sin needing to be deal with. I have had to confront fellow Christians by nailing them right between the eyes with their sin, and I have had to comfort many as they believed the lies of satan that they were no longer worth anything to God- I did not need to confront sin, they knew it but needed restoration like Peter and love/hope like the woman caught in adultery. Piper and MacArthur are great men who draw a hard line on sin, Spurgeon and Rogers excell at exhortation, McGee and Jeremiah are teachers… the list goes on and on. Beth Moore reaches out with the grace given gift of mercy from Romans. For those of us who seem to be about to drown from the sin and temptations and failures, we need the God of Love, the Bridegroom, the One who Restores. We need mercy. We need grace. We admit we are weak. So weak. We admit we are sinners. We don’t need a Judge anymore. We need a Lover. And that is who Beth Moore presents in her studies. A whole idea of who God is, but with an emphasis in mercy and grace. I think her popularity comes from the reality that there are few Bible teachers who reach out with the gift of mercy right now… but popularity doesn’t make someone questionable in a biblical sense. Paul, Peter, David, Moses, Daniel, so many were popular… but they were the people God raised up for that specific time and place, people who were not perfect, but were people who sought God in their imperfections. I am not a Beth Moore ‘fan’ any more than I am a Piper ‘fan’. I am a fanatic for Christ and for HIS story of Redemption for a fallen creation He loved enough to die for… And I would wager Moore and Piper would both agree they are too. We are not to take either one’s message as ‘gospel’ or the ‘only way’, but use their teaching to encourage us to turn and study and devour the true Message, the Word of God. Both have done that in my life and in many others, and I am thankful for the different times they have both ministered to me and turned me to the Word of God as my source of hope and help. My prayer is that this little reply helps explain why there is such a difference in godly teachers worldwide and over time, and that different approaches to different peopl are OK, and in fact, God ordained. What are your thoughts?
This has been really helpful. I like your comments, speakupalittle. We are told to discern. That is what I plan to do. Lately, I have become a bit uncomfortable with some things Beth is presenting to us.